Should Microsoft Relax System Requirements For Windows 11
In the correct state of Windows 11 system requirements, a lot of people wont be able to upgrade for free to Windows 11 because of the TPM 2.0 requirements. A lot of older systems wont meet the CPU requirements on Microsoft CPU supported list.
Windows 11 Supported AMD Processors
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors
Windows 11 Supported Intel Processors
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors
Windows 11 System requirements
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/windows-11
Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements
https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/06/28/update-on-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements/
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I understand Microsoft doing what they are doing. My problem is that I'm running an old Toshiba, it wont run Windows in 64 bits. A short while ago my hard disk crashed, so I got a new ssd drive; and a new battery. There was no talk about Windows 10 being overtaken by another Windows. I'll run my system until I have to get a new machine. I'm 70 years old.
"If you have a 14 year old computer, by then it'll be 18 years old"
Me: looking across the room at my Commodore Amiga A500+
I will run 10 till the bitter end and swap to linux or Chrome Box it.
I completely get what you're saying, but if the majority of Microsoft Windows users don't have a TPM chip on their motherboard then surely this could be part of an additional security module that is used if the system has it, but doesn't if it doesn't. Surely that would have made sense rather than fragmenting the user base?
I think even calling it Windows 11 was a mistake. They could have created two branches called Windows, one for each type of user without making it so obvious to the layman that this is what they were doing (so not Windows 10 and Windows 11) whilst still introducing the maximum security where it is available to them. This would have been the smart move.
Microsoft must know The % of people using Windows that have TPM and so you'd think would have done whatever possible to keep them happy until now users have that chip. To me this is just incompetence all round, even if it was the best way to go in terms of security for those the latest kit.
I feel that you only lightly touched on it, but the problem with enthusiasts isn't the TPM 2.0, secure boot or UEFI, these have been out for several years now and it's entirely possible to add support in many systems without buying an entirely new computer. For example, I run an I5-6600k which is a fantastic processor and still plays every game and runs every program I ask of it with no issues. Microsoft is telling me that despite the support for everything else, my system is obsolete purely because it is 2 generations old.
Otherwise I agree. Modern security requires modern hardware and these (the security) requirements make sense. It doesn't take an 8th gen processor to make it so.
in the end, Microsoft will lose out as there's a hell of a lot of people out there that can't afford another or new computer, this is so selfish of Microsoft and almost makes them as bad as Apple I do enjoy Microsft stuff but this might be the end for me and many more people. MICROSOFT THINK WISELY ITS UP TO THE THE PERSON WHAT SECURITY THEY PAY FOR NOT YOU.
They can stick it! all my computers are 32 bit
If you purchased a Windows 10 machine you will still have a Windows 10 machine and it will still be supported. You are not being harmed.
With the hardware in it's current state, and the prices just about to go up, because the government's are starting to claw money back to pay for pandemic, and how many retailers have the latest stock that will run Windows 11 out of the box, as most will lose £ millions. My currant PC is 4 years old and will not run Windows 11, I can see the issues why the changes are needed, but many owners don't have the budget to purchase a new PC at this time, so that will be millions not installing Windows 11, and this may even force them away all together from a Windows based systems.
ill say this my Gen 10 is on that CPU list but while looking at the specs of my CPU it doesnt have the intergrated TTP / TPM while my board does have a Header for a module which didnt come with my system when i bought it a year ago so like that if i cant get a module for my board my mostly brand new PC then i would have to replace my CPU which is a expense i shouldnt need or try to find a TPM . To me TPM is over kill for home use , with secure boot and other virtualization systems in place is really all home users need with proper Security suites enabled. TPM is going to be a REPAIR or upgrade HELL for most HOME users if anything happens to your board or CPU and you have to replace it which the TPM keys reside then your locked out of your system and you might not be able to get to your keys to unlock your data , thats the facts with TPM use
they need to get rid of TPM 2 as they will fill the world with e-waste or an abandonment of all MS products by a majority of users. I have an I7-7800x and it is not win 11 compatible and there is nothing it can not do
Surely this has be to looked at from an environmental viewpoint all those big businesses throwing out their machines so they can move to Windows 11 after all this is where the bulk of Microsoft's profits come from and not the home user. I wonder if TPM 2.0 is just an excuse for Microsoft to push out windows 11 and avoid trying to solve malware issues in the operating system itself and at the same time making the hardware manufacturers nice big profits after all Microsoft has a big interest in intel.
Can I please decide myself how vulnerable my pc is to malware?
Our money our kit our need for security, not Microsoft
It is crazy remove from windows 11 my Lenovo Yoga 720 i7-7770hq gforce 1050 4gb … I bought it a year ago
They should relax a little bit with that atleast.
YES, AT LEAST WITH ALL THE AMD RYZYNE LINE. OF PROCESSORS.S
this video is so so funny, i got a 9 year old i3 pc, and found a way to install windows 11 on it, and guess what ??? its work brilliant not a problem at all, so microsoft why why why ??? would you try and put all these restrictions in place ????
I have an i3 6th gen processor with built-in tpm(i enabled it via bios) and 12 gigs of ram, it runs win 10 like a charm and also runs win 11 in vm at full speed! But the prob is, i dont have an uefi firmware :(, i'll stick with win 10 until my pc dies
For the best and cheapest security use Linux. No problem
If I need to scrap a good desktop that is only two years old, I'll be a new Apple customer.
No. Every time a new Windows release is launched it had to be compatible with previous versions. This hampers large progress in security. Windows 11 security is a large step forward. If this comes with no upgrade path in 4 years time so be it. Security is a must, cybercrime is too big now!
Pure stupidity, even my 5th gen I5 has TPM 2.0, so why do they want to force me to buy a new laptop?
This is more to do with bucks than security. These days Microsoft make their money from Windows via sales of new computers. The fact that it doesn't need a CPU as new as gen 8 to run is all the proof you need. TPM isn't anything new and it doesn't require Windows 11 to run. Those who have TPM chips on their Motherboard, or who have a TPM module plugged in theirs benefit from the added security. Security isn't an issue for Microsoft or any other company to enforce. There are still people who don't use security software because they believe it slows their computer down, that is their choice to make, it's not down to any company to force them to use anti virus software.
It seems that most of the hardware demands are to do with security. Crucial nowadays and since Windows is, partly by slack design and partly simply because it's got such a huge market share, often hacked. The solution as far as I can see is to roll out W11 as planned but continue to support previous versions with security patches for at least ten years to accommodate incompatible systems into obsolescence. Device and driver compatibility aren't going to matter to people happy to use older software and peripherals anyway. Sure, they'd have to maintain a dedicated "legacy support" team for a while but that should fall away naturally over time. I would argue they have an obligation to do this anyway – the vast majority of their customers were forced licence buyers when they bought the hardware. It could even make the courts.
To try to straddle both would just be to unnecessarily bloat and complicate whatever innovations they have planned. Maybe W11 will be more stable and perform better (hmm). But I don't think anyone will really flock to it because the GUI is "cooler" or even for app and various store management capabilities. Like it or loathe it, 10 is stable and perfectly fine for most user's needs.
To reiterate – MS's problem here seems to be cynicism, tin ears, or possibly both. If they'd simply stated the new requirements and benefits but said that support for previous versions would continue, they'd have been fine. But the silly sods went and announced an arbitrary cut-off date for support of 10…
odd question "should they relax………"
it takes what in takes to run properly, posturing with mealy mouthed words wont change that
better to set expectations realistically, MS may be happy to accept a soft rollout as machines age out of use (or in our house move to Linux Mint)
Brian its just Microsoft trying to get every one ho has a computer that's not comparable to buy a new one money money that's all they are about
requirements should be relaxed 100000% im running win11 in VM on a AMD fx9370 cpu assigning only 6 cores and 4.2 Gb Ram and it works more then fine with tpm and secure boot disabled
Something that seems to be ignored or glossed over is not everyone lives in a 1st world country. Money doesn't grow on trees here. If you are lucky to even have a pc, you keep it going as long as you can. I know of some famlies, that all they have is a low end smart phone that the whole family shares. I've been blessed to be able to afford a bit more for my pc. But it took me nearly 5 years to save up for a midrange graphics card.
yes they should those that help them build win 11 should able to use it and not be left out
Now you know why people HATE Windows or do NOT want to upgrade. They make it almost impossible for the average person to upgrade themselves. WHY is it once you have a system that is working, WHY do you have to try to make it better by screwing it up? I want to use the computer NOT spend a couple months trying to make it work! I rather use Linux then. It is free and is MORE stable and a lot of programs will work with Linux. Guess this is what happens when Microsoft is working with the computer manufacturer instead of the consumer!!!
I have a feeling my brand new acer aspire a515-44 can run windows 11, 10th gen risen CPU and according to research was manufactured last year, but if microsoft wants to lose to google, apple, and canonical they are going in the right direction, millions of users sticking with windows 10, come 2025 the number of chromebook users quadruples, the number of linux users hits 85 percent and macs become much more affordable. microsoft will then have no choice but to keep supporting windows 10 and add some of the features. I can already image canonical getting more ubuntu users
Loads of PC users don't know how to digging around in BIOS to change the settings, or convert MBR to GPT. It's going to fuck up big time.
God Damn it… I only switched to Win10 last year because that is when it was finally acceptable to use (after 5+ years of shadow building through windows updates). Fuck if I have to wait it out again…
Yes
They should use TPM only if available in BIOS
I've got Intel CPUs from 2011 & 2014, we're talking i7-2600K, i5-4690K & i7-4790K here. My motherboards all have headers for TPM 2.0 modules, I'll just have to eventually buy some of them when the scalpers are done having fun scalping them & the stock resupplies in a couple of months.
Using the free app WhyNotWin11 to check what my PCs are missing to upgrade to Windows 11, it's the obvious TPM 2.0 function, and I have to change some settings regarding Boot Method (Legacy now), Disk Partition Type (MBR now), and Secure Boot (some UEFI/BIOS settings not activated yet).
I can't personally see Microsoft being stubborn over time regarding the CPU requirements. The CPU requirements isn't necessary high, but is requiring rather new CPUs. Even lower end new CPUs that performs way worse than my overclocked i7-2600K is OK according to Microsoft, and that doesn't really make sense if you ask me.
My guess is that the minimum CPU specs gets lowered to somewhere around Intel Core 2 Duo in a couple of months. Microsoft probably just takes baby steps ensuring users of Windows 11 get a decent experience by testing the latest CPU generations first with the OS. Do they really want to be responsible for tons of e-waste created by people throwing away good PCs just to be able to run the latest Windows release? Such actions could engage environmental activists and even the EU & US Government to force Microsoft to lower the CPU requirements for Windows 11.
"Your PCs are old, why don't you upgrade" is something people might ask me. Well, they don't feel old, they run most modern games, they all have SSDs instead of HDDs with decent GPUs combined with 16gb and upwards of DDR3 RAM.
yes they fucking should!
Should Microsoft Relax System Requirements For Windows 11?
I think I will relax my requriemnts for needing Windows 11 instead….
I hope they allow 6th gen i7-6850K its only a 5 year old processor. My board has the TPM 2.0 module installed but no upgrade due to my processor.
Speaking for myself….ok I get the TPM and UEFI requirements but the CPU's sorry I don't get that at all. My lenovo has TPM 2 and i converted my hard drive to GPT and now it boots on UEFI instead of Legacy……then the stupid check tells me my processor isn't good enough……why the heck not (fume fume fume) The check tells me it's 6/7 gen….maybe they don't realise that some markets can be limited and we can't all go buy the latest and the greatest every two years. The lenovo is technically just over 4 years old…..not my fault the shops here keep selling last years models or even the year before.
Yeah let me tell you it's not such a small portion………people will just keep using win 10 like they did with winXP and win 7….that is with no updates at all.
Mine is not 20 years old, it's just 4 and has TPM 2 and UEFI secure boot….what has the processor got to do with anything yet they continue to churn out Intel Pentium……..I thought that thing was extinct. The processor is listed as 6/7 gen. TBH it's not my primary machine but I still use it. I have a brand new Nitro 5 as my primary but seriously they have to relax, at least, the CPU thing.
yes needs to be the same as windows 10. Would make millions of people happy. I also have a relatively new small laptop with 2 gig of ram (lenovo yoga) soldered (cant be upgraded) rruns windows 10 fine but now its rendered unupgradable. At the very least they should extend security updates on windows 10 so we can at least run that.
With rising prices and shortages etc in this current world environment. People are more savvy than before. For example, if someone owns a Dell XPS 15 9560 model from 2016, that laptop was very expensive at more than 1000 pounds at the time. It’s an excellent laptop. It has TPM 2, but it’s processor is 7th Gen. And Microsoft says it is not compatible. Ridiculous !. People cannot afford to junk very expensive kit if they want Windows 11. I understand all about TPM and Secure Boot regarding security. But 7th Gen is not so old. They are very capable processors. So Microsoft needs to relax its rules ! period or Windows 11 will not go down well with the consumers. Some people are now thinking DRM is where Microsoft are headed, and also to force people into buying new kit and keep us pinned to their environment.
make all of these requirements cpu, tpm 2.0, secure boot, direct x optional
NO NO NO I DO NOT AGREE MICROSOFT is raising the sercurity of windows 11 and the pc and the only people who are complaining is the undercover crimanals , dirty hackers theives haters allround no good scum!!!!
I think Microsoft has got a bit big for it's boots here. The computing world is not going to be dictated to by a single software company no matter how big it has become.